Danny Carlton has been calling others "thieves" for his ads being blocked on jacklewis.net. He has implemented the blocking of all Firefox users (and other browsers) because his claim is that his articles should be seen the way he intended them. I say that what HE is doing is "stealing" at a level unparalleled to a user that simply is blocking his ads at home.
I find it interesting that the site selected for "whyfirefoxisblocked" is jacklewis.net. Jacklewis.net is a site that is 85% re-purposed articles from other sources. In reality, Danny is basically "adblocking" the original authors' pages and then adding them to his own page .... I see no ads from THOSE websites posted there for those pages. In effect, Danny has stripped the 'unneeded' content surrounding the original articles (adblocking) and has republished them publicly and now they are now only surrounded by his OWN ads .... ads surrounding an article that he didn't write! Is this the way THOSE sites intended their articles to be displayed, Danny? Does it make the article YOURS simply because you might write a little comment after them? It's not like you have a headline and a link to the rest of the article ... you publish the entire article. Users can now read the whole article on Danny's site without having to visit the sites that actually wrote them. Any possible ad revenue would go to HIM and not to the author's site.
Danny claims that people should be able to see all of his page (including HIS ads), but it is a fact that most of the material on that site is not his to begin with. In my opinion, he is blocking users of adblockers because they cannot see his 'adblocked' articles that he is displaying. Where are the ads for THOSE sites that you stole those articles from, Danny? I mean, THEY wrote the article ... not you! You're stealing from THEM for your own profit and displaying them without THEIR advertising! At least ABP users are just doing it for their OWN security and annoyance avoiding. They are not doing it to rip off potential profits from another site.
So who is the thief?
"Do as I say, not as I do"
Jacklewis.net - thievery worse than adblocking!
Jacklewis.net - thievery worse than adblocking!
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Funblock
I have no wish to report him to anything. He has actually done enough to himself already. I am simply making a point that what his site does is total hypocrisy in all respects to "stealing" and "thievery".
$$$ is the most important element to him, with anything else a very distant second. This is NOT the way the web was built ... nor should it be. This kind of self-serving and selfish behavior is what the internet is trying to be turned into by people like him. Others who share the idea that some sites may have to shut down because of ads not being clicked should NEVER have started a site if that is all that they were interested in. I personally think that the web would be a much better place if we got rid of the couple of hundred thousand sites out there whose main purpose is NOT to serve good content, but rather to serve advertising.
$$$ is the most important element to him, with anything else a very distant second. This is NOT the way the web was built ... nor should it be. This kind of self-serving and selfish behavior is what the internet is trying to be turned into by people like him. Others who share the idea that some sites may have to shut down because of ads not being clicked should NEVER have started a site if that is all that they were interested in. I personally think that the web would be a much better place if we got rid of the couple of hundred thousand sites out there whose main purpose is NOT to serve good content, but rather to serve advertising.
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jamieplucinski
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The only reason that Danny Carlton has received all of this (almost totally negative) attention lately is NOT because of his "amazing" ability to block Firefox users (any idiot could do that ... if they wanted to). It is BECAUSE he was actually stupid enough to do it.
If you look at the results of this, there is NOT ONE OTHER SITE that has even tried to duplicate the foolishness of what he has done even though the code is publicly available. Because the logic for anyone NOT doing this is overwhelming!
When all of this mass discussion finally subsides, ABP will be MORE popular than ever and he will have even his hardcore readers wondering whether he is some kind of greedy nut. Remember, this man's first order of business is NOT to serve info TO you ... it's to see how much money he can make FROM you. If you read what he has to say correctly, you will see that this is the truth.
ps: C'mon Danny ... you registered on this forum to make your voice heard. We didn't bring this to your site, you brought it to our sites. So bring it! I know you are reading here. I actually think that you are afraid to try to debate my statements as you seem to be ducking me everywhere I post. You are picking your questions (and posts) and ignoring my statements everywhere as you have done to others on other sites every time a logical question or statement is made. You don't even blame the EasyList for your problems ... it is always Adblock Plus or Firefox according to you. But you know better than that .... and you have known that for a couple of months haven't you? How can an extension that hasn't been updated for almost 4 months have been rewritten to cause your problem of 1 month ago (as this is your own claim)? You may be a fool, but you are not THAT stupid my friend, so therefore YOU ARE SIMPLY A TOTAL LIAR, since you started all of this on AMO on the page that actually shows the last update date of ABP! Truth is that as a FrontPage user, you simply don't like the IDEA of Adblock Plus or Firefox at all, do you? ... and you never have! The web would certainly be a lot better off without lying, overly-greedy, and overly self-important people like yourself.
If you look at the results of this, there is NOT ONE OTHER SITE that has even tried to duplicate the foolishness of what he has done even though the code is publicly available. Because the logic for anyone NOT doing this is overwhelming!
When all of this mass discussion finally subsides, ABP will be MORE popular than ever and he will have even his hardcore readers wondering whether he is some kind of greedy nut. Remember, this man's first order of business is NOT to serve info TO you ... it's to see how much money he can make FROM you. If you read what he has to say correctly, you will see that this is the truth.
ps: C'mon Danny ... you registered on this forum to make your voice heard. We didn't bring this to your site, you brought it to our sites. So bring it! I know you are reading here. I actually think that you are afraid to try to debate my statements as you seem to be ducking me everywhere I post. You are picking your questions (and posts) and ignoring my statements everywhere as you have done to others on other sites every time a logical question or statement is made. You don't even blame the EasyList for your problems ... it is always Adblock Plus or Firefox according to you. But you know better than that .... and you have known that for a couple of months haven't you? How can an extension that hasn't been updated for almost 4 months have been rewritten to cause your problem of 1 month ago (as this is your own claim)? You may be a fool, but you are not THAT stupid my friend, so therefore YOU ARE SIMPLY A TOTAL LIAR, since you started all of this on AMO on the page that actually shows the last update date of ABP! Truth is that as a FrontPage user, you simply don't like the IDEA of Adblock Plus or Firefox at all, do you? ... and you never have! The web would certainly be a lot better off without lying, overly-greedy, and overly self-important people like yourself.
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Anonyman
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Wladimir Palant
I cannot give you download numbers, the download counter on addons.mozilla.org wasn't working most of the time and it doesn't have a history anyway. I can show you the development of visitor numbers on adblockplus.org however:
17/08 is when Danny Carlton's campaign started. 3/09 is the NY Times article. 10/09 is CNET article.
17/08 is when Danny Carlton's campaign started. 3/09 is the NY Times article. 10/09 is CNET article.
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ultravioletu
Rick, I think he won't read anything that we say here. In his righteousness, it is only his word that matters. Anything that anyone else might say does not fit in his perfect universe, so why bother wasting his precious time with such petty things like reasoning, when there are so many articles to be copy-pasted into his 50+ websites.
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joltdude
Jack the Arse
So when is there going to be a workaround for his clever piece of code blocking ABP... 
Like to see him beaten at his little childish game
Like to see him beaten at his little childish game
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Wladimir Palant
guess who wrote:Rather than allow those few sites which wish to restrict access to those not using ad blocking software, Wladimer Palant the developer of AdBlock Plus has released a new development version of AdBlock Plus to remove the detection method available. It would have been nice had he behaved like an adult and simply allowed sites (literally less than a dozen that I know of) that restrict access, to continue to do so. Over a billion web sites on the internet, but he want to make sure not one of them is free to control their own content.
His action demonstrate a direct intent to defraud web site owners of their rights as well as revenue. What little we asked, he stubbornly and childishly has denied. I am now, once again, forced to block FireFox. I will not tolerate morons and idiots controlling my site. Mozilla can act to stop Palant, but they wont. Google could file suit, as is their right, but they don't want to risk the PR backlash.
As a German, I imagine Palant simply doesn't understand the America concept of taking risks to stand up for your rights. That would be why the German people to placidly allowed Hitler to turn their nation into his own personal toilet, and we Americans had to rescue the world from their mess. We're used to being the ones to take the burden of standing up against thugs, even in defense of cretins who themselves defend those thugs.
Until I can find a way to block only ad block users, the FireFox block will remain.
He can't even spell your name...
Just for the record not all Americans think like this person does. I am American and I sure don't follow his, for a lack of better/mature words, beliefs.
People like this gives us Americans a bad name. Sometimes freedom (speech included) does have it's price..this is a good example. It still amazes me how far people will go with their rhetoric.
People like this gives us Americans a bad name. Sometimes freedom (speech included) does have it's price..this is a good example. It still amazes me how far people will go with their rhetoric.
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Josh
I would like to echo the sentiment that Danny does not speak for most Americans. His view of the world is one where the right to make money trumps all, and controlling web browsers is equivalent to "controlling his content". He chastises Firefox users as being "socialist", then shamelessly uses Open Source Software to host his website.
To many of us in the U.S., Danny represents much of what is currently wrong with our society.
To many of us in the U.S., Danny represents much of what is currently wrong with our society.